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nope * Downix/#tunes loves his ISP so much he's going to the competition tomorrow 10:20am * Downix/#tunes is playing a nice CD Well, if you like Tom Waits 10:30am got the frontend working :) 10:40am -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES ([BX] Oral sex makes your day) -:- NetSplit: fontana.openprojects.net split from varley.openprojects.net [11:29am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [fontana.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: fontana.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net -:- zarq [zarq@9dyn59.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn67.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-219.ici.net] has joined #tunes ok, back 12:00pm >>> Downix [down@d-gnaps-219.ici.net] requested PING from #tunes Anyone awake? 12:10pm -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Ping timeout for AlonzoTG[216-164-137-95.s349.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com]) downix; awake, but no news here :) ok * Downix/#tunes is working on his sound system a bit FM Synth is so limited 12:30pm -:- icedfire [mibin@a-ii1-20.tin.it] has joined #tunes Dx: sound system? mibin: ya nick? :) huh? -:- icedfire is now known as mibin ya? abi: ya is 'yet another' ahh, like in yacc 01:00pm -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by lewis.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Use /Server to connect to a server -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES -:- Your host is lewis.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 12 02:19 EDT -:- lewis.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(5)] 1% -:- [global users on irc(276)] 43% -:- [invisible users on irc(363)] 57% -:- [ircops on irc(11)] 2% -:- [total users on irc(639)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(30)] (avg. 21 users per server) -:- [total channels created(189)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !lewis.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 12 (11 clients) !lewis.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 3 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: Free Reflective Computing System || http://www.qzx.com/y/bubba_clause.txt -:- topic set by hcf [Fri Dec 17 18:41:50 1999] -:- [Users(#tunes:10)] [ TUNES ] [ icedfire ] [ Downix ] [ smoke ] [ zarq ] [ eihrul ] [ smkl ] [ Fare ] [ Fufie ] [ abi ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 7.669 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES !ChanServ:*! ^lilo used GETPASS on channel #debian -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us727.javanet.com] has joined #tunes hey smoke, got a q. for ya 01:30pm ah shoot :) I'm trying to classify SID it's not an FM Synth, so what the hell is it? `classify'? Well, usually sound chips are FM Synth's or DSP's I just got to pondering, "What the hell is SID?" it is like fm synth like, but not quite what do you mean? that the sid chip had wavetable capabilities? it's just a synth i think or analog signal processor ? why classify it? * smoke/#tunes is off to play rick dangerous No, it didn't use FM at all smoke: Trying to explain to a potential investor about it smoke: hard to classify it, since it doesn't use FM or DSP-like commands * Downix/#tunes is stuck with non-techno potential investors, that understand common lexicon 01:50pm Oh well Downix: explain SID to me I can classify Paula, it's a combined FM/AM synth with control logic (never saw it programmed; only heard about it; and probably heard it long ago and/or in x64) Fare: SID is at it's heart a customized 6502 processor that is focused on sound generation 6502, too? how many 6502's did the C64 have? Fare: At maximum, over 800 different variations of the 6502 uh? * Fare/#Tunes learnt programming on the 6502 Noone knows how many I've identified over 100 myself Between the models and patches the 6502 was a fantastic CPU too bad they never continued it past 16-bits even the 16-bit version was not so good I know and apple underclocked it, too * Downix/#tunes nods (for compatibility with the remaining ancient circuitry, I guess) Commodore lost their best engineers when Tramiel left Commodore never understood zilch about mass storage Nope Tramiel understood, when he left, so did Commodore's vision 02:00pm Well, he understood that computers needed to be inexpensive enough and powerful enough for people His replacements made every mistake they could -:- SignOff icedfire: #TUNES (Ping timeout for icedfire[a-ii1-20.tin.it]) apparently the mass storage requirement never made it into "powerful enough" How come his Atari's were so bad, then? Actually, that was due to the fact he didn't get the key engineers They were like souped down (but much cheaper) Amigas. * Downix/#tunes nods and couldn't be naturally expanded with mass storage, either He rushed the Atari into production when he failed to get Amiga No He thought HD's were wasteful and expensive HDs were a key to the success of the PC * Downix/#tunes nods -:- icedfire [mibin@62.11.102.39] has joined #tunes HD's were one key having cheaper and bigger HDs as a standard was an essential element for poeple to choose the PC in the office, and later for games * Downix/#tunes nods a non-proprietary hardware system was the main key; the rest followed, albeit with an initial office bias * Downix/#tunes nods not quite non-proprietory, but a widely-availible hardware system (the damn Macs had 3 times smaller HDs for three times the price) many of the parts in a PC are still proprietory ok, a mishmash of proprietary hardware interoperating through non-proprietary specifications with lots of competing chipsets. Right But it was WIDELY AVAILIBLE Proprietory works if it sticks to open standards and is widely availible the non-proprietary aspect was what made it widely available * Downix/#tunes nods Depends s/works/works better/ Anyways the market chooses choice. whatever gives most choice is chosen. most != a lot * Downix/#tunes nods * Fare/#Tunes considers his pile of old floppies However now companies are forgetting that shall I salvage their contents to harddisk, or just dump them? companies have little memory 02:10pm Well, I put all of my old floppies on a CD myself Fare: indeed. The key to Eddas will be an aherence to open standards even within our proprietory setup Namely we're just making chips 8) * Fare/#Tunes considers that other people are more maniacal than me at saving stuff, so that whatever I may save may be mostly petty and redundant crap for instance, would it be worth saving pctools7 ? probably now or indiana jones 3 ? probably not Fare: Things will get interesting over the next few years whaddyamean? like, saving old versions of linux installations? Fare: Sure, Linux is cool to collect so that the 1.2 kernel isn't completely useless w/o its useland? hehe Hum. That just means keeping old SLS CDs to me. Hey, SLS CDs must be collectibles! hehe Too bad I don't have one. (and I scrapped my 50 floppy set long ago) oh man (actually, I only had 40 floppy -- skipped the OI section -- C++ sucks) ok 02:20pm -:- anthos [kalreem5@sdn-ar-001flflauP015.dialsprint.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us727.javanet.com]) indy3 was a really cool game :) def. worth saving, pctools otoh I think I have still as well ;) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us727.javanet.com] has joined #tunes 02:50pm -:- ultima_ [ultima@user-38lc64p.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes hiya -:- ultima_ is now known as ultima nemaste ultima Beggyerpardon? nemaste is a greeting I see. hi ultima Heya. What language is nemaste in? hmm, i dunno, it is a buddhist greeting tibetan? Ah. -:- smoke is now known as avoozl May hate always find a place in your heart, for hate is strength. There's a nice corrupt-sounding greeting which one? hiya eihrul abi: nemaste is etsaman spelled backward ...but nemaste is a greeting... abi, forget nemaste icedfire: I forgot nemaste abi: nemaste is etsaman spelled backward abi: etsaman is nemaste spelled backward greeting? what is gakuk? abi, what is gakuk? ultima: wish i knew abi, Gakuk is a greeting hmm =) abi, what is ultima? no idea, ultima abi, ultima is king king of what? The Universe. /me knockes a modest king apparently which universe? Perhaps, but at least I'm honest =) hum hmm, perhaps the same i am in leisure suit larry in the land of lounge lizards game too old to have its solution on the net :( fare: I have the ega and the vga version ;) cga I probably have the solution as well lsl1 in cga? probably the ega version in cga mode maybe let's try it out in dosemu ultima: every great king needs good dukes, counts and earls.. I'll make a good earl in the outback ;) 03:00pm ultima: I'll settle for the earth :) hum. I/O errors in last sectors of pctools7. Is that copy-protection, or just bad floppy? probably bad floppy was there ever a good floppy? * Fare/#Tunes wonders how he will finish "the last express", with the 4th CD being kaput * Fare/#Tunes also had to get a pirat copy of ultima6 after the original one passed out Fufie: kings need enemies as well Fufie: they're politicians, don't forget intellectual property sucks. It means you supposedly can't freely exchange copies of your programs when the media fail eih: but in a monarchy the enemies and friends are bound to be the nobility and there is no such thing as a noble politician.. oxymoron :) anarchy is the way to go * Fare/#Tunes saw branded floppies fail, and no-brand, hand-holed DD->HD floppies last it seems as a plane with the french flag on it has crashed in guatemala Fare: the people who can afford brand names probably want their floppies to fail so that people need to buy more Fufie: F. Bastiat was a noble politician, at least in the moral sense. fare: there has been several politicians who came from the nobility, and yes there supposedly exist politicians with the heart in the right place Fufie: my brother almost went to south america, and escaped a crash and a deadly flood. -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (BitchX: try our lowfat flavor too!) Fufie: I have yet to see any of the latter. * Fare/#Tunes notices that an ad for Chirac in 1986 said "He has the heart to the right" 03:10pm ultima: they are a rare species, but they do exist I think -:- SignOff ultima: #TUNES (Read error to ultima[user-38lc64p.dialup.mindspring.com]: Connection reset by peer) ultima: I know a few ones in France, but they've been systematically let at secondary places in their respective parties. I think maybe JS Mill qualified as a decent politician sure. Before I learnt about Bastiat, Mill was my favorite. they are selected to EU parliament? JS Mill is an ex-parrot parrot? ex-parrot is an expression from a monty python skid and is used in english to refer to something which "has ceased to be", ie dead even Margaret Thatcher has used the phrase in the english parliament when referring to communism "God is dead -- Fred" "Fred is dead -- God" Poor Friedrich haha why poor? hehe -:- SignOff anthos: #TUNES (Leaving) anybody here has studied Wittgenstein? briefly tried to read some of it, and decided he focused too much on irrelevant problematics. i had a course on him once.. scored a 3 on the test Friedrich was maltreated in his last years by his (nazi) sister ice: some, but it's not the philosopher I know best. the wittgenstein archives are here in town though Fufie: you have his archives? ice: no, they're in the town where I live, I could drop by if you need anything though http://www.hd.uib.no/wab/ thanks for the url, Fufie 03:20pm Wittgenstein lived in norway? he lived in Austria, then in England why they have that stuff on an .no site then? norwegians are somewhat interested in philosophy norway rules! the famous contemporary philosopher Arne N�ss is norwegian and the popular writer Josteing Gaarder wrote "sophie's world" which sold pretty well -g the greeks, germans, blimeys and the french have a more impressive track record though :) abi: class warfare is at http://www.laputan.org/reflection/warfare.html -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) Jostein Gaarder sucks! the basic idea behind "sophie's world" is nice, but the implementation plain sucks what the implementation would be? I am not a big fan of it, but it has introduced philosophy to a lot of readers who would find university philosophy too tough -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@207-172-50-128.s382.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes university philosophy sucks plus it's not philosophy, it's just history of philosophy and pseudo-philosophy you can't really give John Doe a copy of Kierkegaard or Nietzche everyone is a philosopher, but some are more famous than others ice: some are more original and some are mor thorough Fufie: like? -:- icedfire is now known as firedice ice: I find Marx to be somewhat original and Locke was also important 03:30pm ice: as for thorough you have Kierkegaard and Wittgenstein next question is: what to do with all these scrap floppies? is anyone in the world accepting them? I also liked Hume a lot, he ruined everything the philosophers till then had "agreed" on.. hum. Maybe one of those romanian guys... and it was Kant's job to try to patch it together afterwards I've heard lots of good about Hume, but haven't read anything by him yet i think i am more into philosophy than philosophers What I could read of Kant was nice; but most of it, I couldn't manage to read. Hume is the guy who clearly explains that nothing can be proven which it takes centuries before Russel and Popper makes accessible to others Kant uses a lot of words to say nothing ;) Kant is difficult to read most philosophers are hard to read though :-/ have you ever read some Nietzche writings? I have just read explanations of Nietzche, not the real books or whatever it is spelled let's call him Friedrich :) hehe Kierkegaard was more accessible as he was available in the original language, danish, which is easy to read for norwegians Nietzsche is nice, but he destroys a lot, and doesn't construct much. my philosophy vocubalary is in norwegian so I don't know terms in english He mostly ascertained the ruin of old dogmatic christian morality. is spoken Danish as easy as written Danish to you? Fufie: mine is in french. Fare: mine is yet in another language zarq: no zarq: danes speak with a potato in their mouth, but they write understandably ;) firedice: which? -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) hehe.. i never heard a Dane speak.. so i wouldn't know :) i heard enough Norwegians though i have read some his writing on Zarathustra dutch isn't that different from norwegian I think some extracts from his writings, that is -:- firedice is now known as icedfire ouch. Where's my second prince of persia disk gone??? fufie; it is not really that different, no. prince of persia wasn't one of the best games though... not something i'd mind losing 03:40pm fufie; we have a dialect here that is even pronounced almost as if it were norwegian zarq: friesich? jup talking to people in Groningen was not difficult ;) zarq: sweden? icedfire; netherlands ahh pop was a great game. I always loved the author's works, since Karateka. -:- NetSplit: fontana.openprojects.net split from tolkien.openprojects.net [03:41pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [fontana.openprojects.net] i am crazy for xjump time for bed.. have a good night.. (afk) natta good idea * zarq/#tunes is away: zzz * icedfire/#tunes isnt still * Fare/#Tunes remembers cracking prince.exe under turbo debugger * eihrul/#tunes favors textual adventures more. graphics, even 2D, can ruin a game, sometimes not when that game is chip's challenge =) 03:50pm * Fare/#Tunes cannot understand how graphics ruin lode runner championship hcf: if your URLs aren't in the Review/Reflection.html yet, can you mail them to review@ ? text is easier to manipulate from the stand point of making a game gives the person more creative freedom as its easier sometimes to sling prose than to use draw :) s/use draw/draw/g hmm i like games that stress your reflexes and concentration Hum. Wing Commander 2. Is it worth salvaging? how can a graphicless game require them? eihrul: arcade games are definitely better with graphics eihrul: but I agree graphical nethack just sucks. Fare: why is there a non graphical nethack? * Fare/#Tunes remembers his first hi-res adventures from sierra on-line. "Time Zone" -- yummy. text graphics is still graphics (actually, my dad&bro played "Mystery House" first) 04:00pm Hey, ultima7! Now this was a good game, but too much processor-speed dependent. which one was 7? serpent isle? or was that 8? yup, serpent isle, I think. The first one with characters in perspective. introducing the evil guardian actually, the only real good ultimas were 4,5,6 04:10pm * Fare/#Tunes invokes a shortened .au of Jacques Brel It seems to me that shorten is better quality than mp3, although also much bigger. that would make sense * Fare/#Tunes admits he just bought a CD reaper for backup purposes I haven't made a full tape backup for years, and I'm sick of DAT. -:- Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net irc.linux.com -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes darn, I lost my Ultima 6 map and stone! what's the use of having the box, if not for the map and stone! -:- SignOff icedfire: #TUNES (Ping timeout for icedfire[62.11.102.39]) the map was not very useful though, atleast in ultima 8 * Fare/#Tunes doesn't remember u8 having a map lemme check the box yes, and it also came with a coin with a pentagram on it 04:20pm u8 sucked. Was too slow on my 'puter, and despite that, I couldn't ever cross those jump-over-the-lava passageways * Fare/#Tunes regrets the purchase. * Fare/#Tunes doesn't remember the map, because I never had any use for it :( it took me an hour just to get it right very tricky to get all four of the deities into the black rock nethack is the only good game * Fare/#Tunes quickly abandoned u8 for other activities at the time, i had no other actitivities to abandon to... so excuse me 04:30pm -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-64.ici.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (BitchX: more nutritious than a six-pack.) -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-64.ici.net] has joined #tunes Ok, Mozilla is weird is it? It doesn't compile for me 05:20pm -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes hey air hey what's up? not much, just swapping out a motherboard ok damn win98 locks up every other boot yup er, it locks up every cold boot but if u press reset it boots fine, if u then tell windows to restart it locks up but then works after pressing reset hehe i exchanged every part in the machine except the mobo so i know it is the problem oh man i even checked the power supply :) what sucks is that this mobo just came out of another computer where it worked fine lol i hate computers I love them when they work ya My Amiga's work Except the A500 my tandy 100 works er 1000 Heheh THey used to make such nice computers in the past modern systems suck systems of the past where made by hackers for hackers 05:30pm Yup systems of today are made by idiots for idiots Agreed * Downix/#tunes is no idiot ya and u have no successful line of computers I have not introduced it yet 8) bbiaf hehe 05:40pm -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial721.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Shalom! hey okay... i need a descriptive name to distuingish a generalized thread scheduling class that is used for many purpose for what? hehehe from one that derives that scheduler to schedule threads to run What, "Foo_12534" is too good for you? but i can't think of anything well, descriptive would be nice :) "GeneralizedThreadScheduler" well... hmm the generalized was is already called Scheduler or, in true Lisp fashion, "generalized-thread-scheduler" i need to figure out what to call the specific one :) hmm So M12 is looking good, eh? No, M12 isn't compiling for me download the binary? No binary 06:00pm and they link the binary against RH, using a single file that's RH-only pooh guy yup stupid mozilla * Kaufmann/#tunes is back to learning Haskell that can't help you anymore ... you need to learn Charity to purify yourself from bad karma caused to slashdot postings caused by lol LOL * Kaufmann/#tunes is a Slashdot junkie * Downix/#tunes is too admitting it is the first step lol M12 compile dammit! I just want a damned web browser that doesn't stink doesn't it take 600 megs to compile? Yup perhaps much less w/o debugging info? Yup * Downix/#tunes has debugging off so, anything interesting going on? waitaminnit... it takes 600 megs to compile? 06:10pm -:- NetSplit: king.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [06:10pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [king.openprojects.net] Or was this just hyperbole? Kaufmann: yes, it does well glibc takes 300 megs glibc needs a major overhaul ... we're talking about temporary storage, right? Yes, temporary most of the 600 meg is debugging info good God !irq:*! I know the temperature of STP is 273 kelvin, but what is standard pressure? (in kPa please) * Downix/#tunes is pondering an algor for a total debugging utility "total"? isolating memory leaks, interactive problems, core dumps, etc. * Downix/#tunes figured out a way to spot memory leaks in BASIC and COBOL before Figured the same proceedure would work for C even if it's horribly slow ah well Pondering if it'll work with C 06:20pm Well, I gotta go... gotta get some downtime ok -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Do not meddle in the Affairs of Wizards, for thou areth Crunchy, and Good with Ketchup.) -:- Netjoined: king.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp123.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes hey eihrul 06:30pm -:- water [water@tnt-9-167.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes * water/#tunes watches the tumbleweed roll by... * eihrul/#tunes hears the crickets chirp. hehe * Downix/#tunes hears a faint musical tune play mmm... ambient electronica * Downix/#tunes is reading up on Dr Who 06:50pm Downix: if u want a web browser that doesnt stink then get navigator 3.0 air: Navigator 3.0 still stinks, it doesn't browse XML bleh I give up on Mozilla 07:10pm