IRC log started Sat Oct 30 00:00:00 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.1030
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<mibin> !seen water
<smkl> seen water
<smkl> seen water?
<smkl> abi: seen water?
<abi> water was last seen on IRC 9 hours, 52 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: fair enough [Fri Oct 29 23:05:43 1999]
<mibin> abi: seen water
<abi> water was last seen on IRC 9 hours, 52 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: fair enough [Fri Oct 29 23:05:43 1999]
09:00am
!is:*! any services admins awake?
<fire> abi: oberon?
<abi> oberon is a language that is meant to extend Modula and Pascal. It was developed by Niklaus Wirth and others. or at http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/
09:10am
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<Kaufmann> DAMN, do I look good
10:20am
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<Downix> hey
<binEng> hi
<Downix> what's up?
<smkl> ack my c++ and java aren't working
11:00am
<Kaufmann> good
<Kaufmann> they're brain-damaged anyway
<Kaufmann> now all you have to do is get rid of your COBOL and VB
<smkl> every properly configured system must have c,c++ and java working
<Kaufmann> bah
<Kaufmann> UNIX is evil anyway
11:10am
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<smkl> ugh new template obfuscated libstdc++ makes everything compile slowly and executables bloated
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<Downix> ok
<Downix> what's up?
<Kaufmann> nothing, afaik
<Downix> ok
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<smkl> woop now c++ and java are working
<eihrul> in what?
<smkl> in my formerly broken system
<eihrul> what is your system, then and now? :)
<smkl> still linux slackware 3.1
<eihrul> oh, that kind of broken
<KaufmannBRB> LOL!
12:40pm
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<smkl> i had two glibc2s installed
<smkl> that caused some problems
<Kaufmann> I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I hate UNIX
<Kaufmann> LOL... two spammers murdered in NJ: http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/28/businessmen.killed.02.ap/index.html
<Downix> what's wrong with UNIX?
<Downix> .away
<Kaufmann> What isn't?
<Kaufmann> ?
<Downix> Name me something that's actuially "wrong" about it
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<binEng> It's not intensional; it allows links to be broken.
<Downix> You may not *like* UNIX, doesn't mean it's wrong.
<Kaufmann> Uhhhhrm
<Downix> binEng:  Depends on the file system being used.  In classical UFS, yes
<Kaufmann> What's wrong with UNIX
<Downix> In the new JFFS, no, links are dynamic
<binEng> I haven't heard about that, but I doubt textual references remain valid if you e.g. move a file.
<Downix> they do in the newer journaled file systems
<Kaufmann> Traditional file systems. Depends heavily on C. Not intensional. Nowhere near fine-grained enough. ACL-based. Very little support for reflectiveness.
<Kaufmann> I can go on
<Downix> Kaufmann:  UNIX is also flexible, I've seen UNIX run w/ newer file systems, and even reflective systems attempted, such as MIT's XOK system
<Downix> it's dependend on C, you are right
<Downix> that's nothing wrong, just a design choice.
<Kaufmann> Down, that's wrong because it makes doing just about everything that is not completely low-level a real pain. I mean, if only the bootstrap code was in C I'd understand it, but this is ridiculous.
12:50pm
<Downix> Kaufmann:  Nothing wrong with that since there are high-level derivitives of C that can be applied to UNIX's without issue.
<Downix> C may be low-level, but as a low-level system it is also flexible.  There are very few things you cannot do in C if you devote enough time to figuring out how
<Kaufmann> Downix, don't give me C++ (or even ObjC). No matter what you say, the fact remains that all of the kernel and all of the core libraries are still written in C.
<Kaufmann> Downix, high-level reflective languages can be every bit as flexible as C.
<Downix> Kaufmann:  depends on the UNIX varient.  I've seen small UNIX kernels re-written in such systems as Java and D
<binEng> Flexibility is one thing, the amount of work you pay for constructing what you want is another.
<Downix> Kaufmann:  I didn't say they couldn't, I just said that C has something.
<Downix> binEng:  I've found C suits my needs fine, of course my needs are small
<Downix> The only thing I code is a terminal daemon
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<Kaufmann> SLIDERS is starting... bbl maybe
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01:00pm
<mibin> !seen water
<mibin> abi: seen water
<abi> water was last seen on IRC 13 hours, 55 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: fair enough [Fri Oct 29 23:05:43 1999]
<smkl> water might come here in few hours
<binEng> cya
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01:10pm
!remco:*! cmdrtaco
!wichert:*! we have a cmdrtaco proximity-alert now?
!irq:*! What?
!larne:*! watch out, you're confusing the lusers :>
!lilo:*! hey, be nice, let's not announce things like that :)
!larne:*! let's not announce we're confusing people? heh
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!larne:*! erm
!irq:*! services restart?
!larne:*! yeah, it does tend to do that.
!wichert:*! services shouldn't do that
!wichert:*! it's a disservice :)
!lilo:*! it apparently was not responding, I just hupped it
!larne:*! we're not blaming you :>
!lilo:*! we are in serious need of assistance with things like this 8)
!lilo:*! need coders :)
!larne:*! yes, yes, heh. I need to put some work into services
!larne:*! I'm almost done with ircd
!ChanServ:*! lilo used GETPASS on channel #redhat
!larne:*! (if you don't want to receive these messages, type /umode -w)
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<lar1> Hey
<mibin> hey lar1
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02:10pm
<lar1> Whats HTTP error 503?
02:20pm
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<rares> hey
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<Tril> hi rares
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<lar1> Hey
10:00pm
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<air>   mov ebx,%2
<air> %ENDM
<air> ugh
11:10pm
<eihrul> eh?
<eihrul> wrong window?
<air> ya
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<air> was teaching lar howto use nasm macros and forgot to press tab, twice :)
11:30pm
<lar1> tab?  What client do you use?
11:40pm
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