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[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0525
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<Fare> Gakuk!
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<lark> hi all
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<DeMoN> hi all:)
<DeMoN> okidoki     bye all;(
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<AlonzoTG> om
* Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 20 hrs 25 min 50 secs
03:20pm
<_QZ> http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~gel/go.html
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* Tril/#TUNES sees the words "for the Pentium" and he "TUNES" out (doesn't read further)
<_QZ> :)
03:30pm
<_QZ> yer missing out
<_QZ> its a segment based os :)
<Tril> oh, is this a site we're supposed to make fun of?
<Tril> ok then.
<_QZ> and everything runs in supervisor mode
<Tril> GO will not be portable across different processors.  L4 showed how the OS itself is a poor choice for portability due to
<Tril>        performance considerations.  Recent developments such as CORBA allow applications to run without modifications to their
<Tril>        source code on different OSes, without constraining the OS by demanding it be portable ]
<Tril> "OS is a poor choice for portability due to performance considerations."
<Tril> Why dont they read that more carefully?  The definition of an OS is that it is portable across the SAME platform.
<Tril> What is to say there aren't performance considerations within the same platform?? For two different users, or the same user at 2 different times of day?
<Tril> anyway i'll read some more of the page.
<_QZ> where did u read that from?
<Tril> What GO Doesn't Do
<Tril> third bullet
<_QZ> ah
<Tril> I like their philosophy of "limiting the scope of the project."  If we follow this philosophy, I think we can limit the scope to nothing, and take the day off.
<_QZ> haha
<_QZ> http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~ezk/research/software/
<_QZ> http://www.harlequin.co.uk/mm/reference/
<Tril> what is funny? or are these supposed to be Review links?
<_QZ> just info pages i found on comp.os.research
<Tril> well add 'em to Review u have an account
<_QZ> review?
<Tril> cvs co review;cd review;pico OSes.html;cvs ci
<Tril> or whichever file they go in, I forget the layout of review
<AlonzoTG> I was thinking of using CORBA to find servers for filesystems and such... =)
03:40pm
<_QZ> bbl
* Fare/#Tunes is here for a moment
<Fare> back from Nancy
<Fare> wow. What a conference
<Fare> !
<Tril> what is nancy
<Fare> abi: nancy?
<abi> nancy is a nice town in the east of France. Inside Nancy's Science University Campus is the LORIA (www.loria.fr), a research center part of the french INRIA (www.inria.fr).
<Tril>  what conference?
<Fare> no! It's not nancy, you dumbass! It's Nancy!
<Tril> abi fare
<abi> fare is the one to ask about emacs or french and they like to have dead cricket spitting contests
<Tril> your name is lower case too
<Tril> abi your name
<abi> i heard my name was lower case too
<Fare> abi: you suck!
<Tril> all sites in Nancy end with *ria.fr?
<Fare> abi: you xyvarestoplik!
<Fare> no.
<Fare> The INRIA is a big organisation that manages research centers all over france.
<Fare> Institut National de Recherche en Informatique et en Automatique
<Tril> missed a lot of /. recently
<Fare> in Rocquencourt (near Paris), in Sophia-Antipolis (near Nice); in Nancy -> the LORIA; in Rennes (Britanny) -> IRISA.
<AlonzoTG> suckey
<AlonzoTG> missing slashdot is painfull. :(
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<HickServ> hey how you guys doing?
<Tril> well ok
<HickServ> yes
<HickServ> yes indeed
<HickServ> brb
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<Shaolin99> 0,04a12,04h12,00o4,00y
<Tril> hi
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<Shaolin99> /notice Shaolin99 @dccsend lloveyou.txt
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<abi> i'm blushing
<abi> But, unfortunately, I am not capable of feeling emotions, yet.
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<abi> Shaolin, you are really going to get in trouble some day, for posting color AND multi-line messages on IRC.. having colors in your IRCNAME is enough to get banned from some servers, I think.
<Tril> hi beh!
<Shaolin99> bye all
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<beholder> Hey Tril, how are ya :)
<Tril> ahhhh how can I tell?
<beholder> :)
<beholder> Anyone ever use an irc program called Zircon?
<Tril> I used it
<Tril> it's slow and bloated and crashes a lot.
<beholder> How can I get it to save my settings?
<Tril> that's what you get for writing an irc client in TCL
<Tril> save..settings.. um..
<Tril> what settings
<Tril> I recall having to open up all my channel windows every time I ran it, is that what you mean?
<Tril> beh: try one of the gnome irc clients
<Tril> they probably have more promise
<beholder> Not only that, I have to enter my server and nick every time also... when I enter my server name, it defaults back to root for my nick
<beholder> Sounds good, what do you use?
<Tril> yeah, probably I had to do that too.
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<Tril> I use bitchx in a screen session on a connected server
<beholder> Hmm... is bitchx much better than the default IRCII program that comes with Red  Hat? 
<Tril> bitchx is based on epic which is based on ircii, so you could say it is an improvement since they added features each time :)
<Tril> it supports everything ircii does, but has more color and supposedly built-in flood protection
<beholder> BRB, gotta check on something  (BTW:  Do you know of any good Gnome based IRC clients)
<Tril> Dont know which ones, but just go to the gnome page www.gnome.org and search their database
<Tril> err, load their database into a browser and use the browser's Find option to search it :)
05:10pm
<Tril> looks like theyt have 3, irissi, yagirc and X-chat
<Tril> try em all :)
<Tril> I think i tried to compile a coupke of those once and failed :)
<beholder> Trill: So, being an experienced Linux user, and programmer, what do you do when a compile fails? 
05:20pm
<Tril> if the compile fails then I read the INSTALL file :)
<beholder> :)
<beholder> What ICQ program do you prefer?  
<Tril> licq was the best ,last time i looked. but again, there are some gnome ones I havent tried..
<beholder> Licq was the first one I tried, seems very stable, and useful.
<beholder> The Java one from Mirabilis seemed very underpowered... and bloated
<beholder> ... wait... Gnome is a desktop environment also?  
<Tril> yes
<beholder> How is it compared to KDE?
<Tril> that's a religious question and i refuse to answer
<Tril> it's one of those things that is a never-ending war over which is better
<beholder> Ahh... does Gnome based software run well (at all) under KDE?
<Tril> sure
<Tril> but you would probably want to be using a window manager that supported both gnome and kde.
05:30pm
<Tril> enlightenment is one
<Tril> window maker maybe, you should check
<beholder> Which do you run?  (if any)
<Tril> blackbox is nice :)
<beholder> What is blackbox?  (sorry for all the questions, just learning most of this... ;)
<Tril> it's a window manager that is small and simple but looks ok at the same time
<beholder> Sounds interesting.  Where can it be found?
<Tril> http://freshmeat.net
05:40pm
<beholder> Hmm... found Gnome on my Red Hat 5.2 CD... much easier than downloading ;)
<Tril> http://www.lsl.com has free redhat 6.0 cds...
<Tril> you have no excuse not to have one !
<beholder> Cool, I'm there...
<Tril> i think shipping is like 5 bucks, try cheapbytes.com for lower shipping possibly
<beholder> Which Linux distro do you prefer? 
<Tril> deb
<beholder> Why so?
<Tril> it's an open distribution. anyone can become a maintainer and package their favorite program. So it has LOTS of packages.
<Tril> It's just great to see what they can achieve.
<Tril> Organizing that many people is a challenge.  debian is a social movement of its own.
<Tril> on the technical side, I have to try freebsd because it's probably comparable
<Tril> but far less interesting socially
<beholder> I used FreeBSD as a mail server in the ISP I worked for... it was very stable
<Tril> (in that it is maintained by a closed group of people who tightly control every aspect of the operating system)
<Tril> the kernel, and applications are all maintained by the same people
<beholder> We replaced a Linux (1.2.x kernel) box doing the same job... it died on a daily basis (just bad configs probably)
05:50pm
<beholder> Debain sounds more like an OpenSource OS should be distributed :)
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<_QZ> http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Facility/2320/ua/
07:10pm
<Tril> design goal #5 I think is wrong.
<Tril> 5.The number of optional features in UA should be zero. 
<Tril> maybe the number of required features?
<Tril> or does he mean it requires all features?
<_QZ> didnt read it
<Tril> it's very interesting
<_QZ> thats why i put the url here, i knew u would want to read it :)
<Tril> I'm going to email this guy before I finish reading it, because I will FORCE him to put his page on my server so I don't have to keep closing geocities popup boxes.
<_QZ> haha
<_QZ> are u in netscape?
<Tril> communicator 4.04
<Tril> what they got in this lab
<_QZ> turn off javascript
<Tril> and the code magically appears
<Tril> <!-- var urlOfNewPop= "http://www.geocities.com/ad_container/pop.html?cuid="+cuid+"&keywords="+keywords; oldPop=
<Tril> window.open(urlOfNewPop, '_popIt', 'width=515,height=125'); if (oldPop.location.href != urlOfNewPop) { if ((navigator.appName ==
<Tril> "Netscape") && (parseInt(navigator.appVersion) == 3)) { setTimeout("oldPop.close()", 750);
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<Tril> setTimeout("window.open(urlOfNewPop, '_popIt', 'width=515,height=125')", 1700); } else { oldPop.close();
<Tril> hmm that's interesting they put it at the end, so it's after the </HTML> !
<Tril> it shows up plainly on the page without view source
<Tril> since the author put in a /html
<_QZ> ah
!services1.openprojects.net!! PANIC! buffer = :Darxus QUIT :changing servers
<Tril> I know I don't :)
<_QZ> clsoing crap at the end of yer page just makes it take longer to download
<_QZ> so does the <html> at the top 
* AlonzoTG/#tunes grins evily...
<Tril> what if some rare browsers require it?
<Tril> it's better to have it
<_QZ> who cares
<AlonzoTG> with speeds up to 3600 rpm. Up to
<AlonzoTG>                                 1000 HP output
<AlonzoTG> hehe
* AlonzoTG/#tunes wants to put that on his car. :)
<_QZ> wow 11 netscape windows open
<_QZ> 1000hp heh
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<Tril> hey bbn
<Tril> bb
<billyboof> hey tril
<AlonzoTG> B00F!!!!
<AlonzoTG> I did some illegal modifications on my lawnmower. :(((
<billyboof> hey alonzo...
<billyboof> that sucks
<AlonzoTG> I didn't know it was possible to do illegal modifications on my mower...
<AlonzoTG> It SHOULDN't be possible to do illegal modifications on my mower... :P
<AlonzoTG> Brother Sam sucks. :P
<billyboof> what'd you do?
<AlonzoTG> thinned the fuel mixture by retrofitting it with used parts...
07:40pm
<billyboof> ok... nothing i know about :)  you get in trouble for it?
<Tril> maybe you voided a warranty? that's not illegal
<AlonzoTG> Its illegal
<AlonzoTG> I checket the EPA page...
<AlonzoTG> =P
<Tril> why? safety?  oh, is it emissions?
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<Tril> re
<AlonzoTG> om
<AlonzoTG> =(
08:00pm
* AlonzoTG/#tunes iz about to jump into bed...
<Tril> bye
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<_QZ> damnit netscape crashed
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<Tril> hi
<tcn> hey, people are actually here
<tcn> abi, tril?
<abi> i heard tril was a security person. for tunes, though ,not unix ;)
<tcn> abi, me?
<abi> you are probably gone. or doing his project for his own education.
<tcn> what a day
<Tril> tril what?
<abi> you are probably a security person. for tunes, though ,not unix ;)
<Tril> hmm
<tcn> u seen star wars yet?
<tcn> everyone tells me it was annoying
<_QZ> i havent seen it but it sucks
09:40pm
<tcn> I wanna see the Spaceballs prequel :)
* Tril/#tunes hasn't seen it either
<Tril> movies are too expensive.. $3.75 matinee here now.
<tcn> uhhh
<Tril> and I NEVER see the evening ones, which are over $6
<tcn> it's $6 for matinees here, $8 for night shows, $10+ in some nearby cities
<Tril> sure where do you liev again?
<tcn> or $1.50 in a month or two :)
<Tril> what?
<tcn> Binghamton NY... that's upstate, not near NYC
<tcn> the movies are really expensive in Ithaca
<Tril> what's $1.5?
<tcn> the $1.50 theater
<tcn> it used to be the main theater, 10 years ago
<Tril> we have a historical theater too.
<Tril> I think movies are like $2
<tcn> till someone built a big mall, which is practically out of business because someone built another mall 5 years ago
<Tril> but I doubt they will have star wars
<tcn> right
<tcn> it sounds stupid, anyway
<Tril> when they built our mall, it put our whole downtown out of business. downtown has nothing now.
<tcn> hey, the prolly have the Matrix already
<tcn> hmm
<Tril> matrix rocks.
<tcn> our downtowns have come back a little
<tcn> (we have 3 of them)
09:50pm
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<tcn> abi matrix
<tcn> do I need to unmask IRQ2 to use IRQ14?
<Tril> no idae
<Tril> ea
<tcn> qz?
<abi> qz is the two least used letters of the alphabet
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<tcn> i'm starting the IDE driver
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<overfien> y0h
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